the mosin is very good but i think its overated, there are faster snipers (henry and 1858C) and snipers good for newbies (intervention and bfg 50) better snipers for ads (L115A3 and AWS) and more powerful (hecate II and bfg 50) snipers, so is the mosin nagant overated?
Scout is the best. Highest kill potential out of all the snipers excluding M107 which mind you, somehow broke the record for slowest gun in PF.
Bfg 50 is a crutch, and a pretty ok one at that. You sacrifice speed and possibility of garnering a lot of kills within a short time for a higher percentage of getting that one kill.
Like the people above said, its a good training wheel weapon. But like a training wheel weapon, you can’t stay on it forever. If you do, you’ll never improve and learn how to properly headshot unless you slowly migrate from it to AWM or Mosin.
IMO the scout is the highest achievable rifle that comes from a noob like sense to a skilled player. It NEEDS consistent headshots, if you satisfy its demands, it rewards you with a fast bolt cycle and 2nd fastest reload in class to help you get even more headshots. With the .50 cals its just not possible.
When you get to scout, look back and see how far you gone in terms of sniping.(I’m a scout sniper main so I’m low key addicted to them) see how you fell in love with the Mosin or AWM. And see where that all began, at the intervention or bfg 50. And you’ll be proud to call yourself a skilled sniper.
So no, the BFG is not the best, but it isn’t the worst either.
My current favorite is either AWM or Scout. I haven't unlocked either yet but I have picked them up and I find them highly effective. I think the Mosin is kind of a bridge between AWM and Scout, in terms of skill and playstyle.
The Mosin gives a good secure feel. It possess the ablility to recover from setbacks, good reload and mobility and 2sk to the torso in spite of its fast rpm. The scout tosses that security out the window and focuses on speed and efficiency to get kills faster. If you slip up in shooting faster than sonic, you’ll get punished dearly. S
However, once a player’s skill has reached a point that the extra security provided from the Mosin isn’t needed anymore...Your skill can easily help with that, then it is time to take off the training wheels and move onto the scout.
I think that it can be overrated at some times like at REALLY long range. But granted, it has little drop.
It can do very well i believe in close range because of its fire rate. It is harder to get collaterals I think.
Yes, I believe it is to overused. Mostly by higher ranks. I never get killed by people who are way underranked to use it. Just like the BFG which is overused by ranks such as 30-50. It s overused from 83 (I think)-110
Agreed. Every time I try to use the SVDS my personal bias plays in. Any sniper that has a muzzle velocity of 2650m/s or lower I consider to be inferior and not worth using even though a reduction of 50 studs per second is barely noticeable and the SVDS can easily hold its ground.
The mosin Nagant is used BECAUSE it’s a great weapon. If you can consistently score headshots (which you should be able to since it’s a sniper rifle) you can take down whole squads without being noticed. It’s relatively quiet, and has a fast scope in time and moderate reload.
The BFF, however, is for sniping failures. Instant kill to anywhere on the body, it’s not really a skill weapon. Sniping relies on patience, eyesight, and smart reflexes. Shooting somone in the foot is not that.
BFG is what you use when you need an instant kill as soon as you get a motion lock. It's helpful for flag guarding in a smaller kill area, as long as you are 50+ studs away (and already scoped in!). On the other hand, if you miss, well, you better hope you are more than 100 studs away and are very near cover. In my opinion, this is the only real use of the BFG other than stupid overpowed sniping; basically use it as a high damage, medium range slug shotgun for targets visible for short amounts of time.
I have often thought of the Mosin Nagant as a close range snipers rifle, as it can still fulfill the sniper function at up to 50 studs given its quick ADS time, although you need to be able to hit consistent, fast, first shot headshots (as Twinkbunsthe7th said, this should not be very hard for any sniper worth their salt), but at that point, I'd rather be using a DMR (or LMG, or PDW, or basically anything that is not bolt-action). When I'm using it, I do best from about 70 to 250 studs. Is that a reasonable range, or do I just suck with the Mosin?
That’s like the optimal range for Mosin and Steyr! Its around medium to longish range where those two snipers shine. Its where they can put their fast handling and rpm to use. A place where slow firing rifles can’t cope but faster guns can. The medium range zone.
Btw congrats on your capability to perform well at that range! You’re doing what a Mosin/Steyr main does best!
Ehh, I disagree dude. Not all players are at 80 hp. You’re assuming that people in close quarters are around 80 health, that is simply not true. The current pf health regeneration works ONLY after 5 seconds. Your current assumption is that everyone ideally that you meet was hurt in the last five seconds which is just a pipe dream tbh.
The reason why I think that Scout performs better at range is with the faster muzzle velocity and faster bolt cycle. But that’s just my opinion. On the other hand, it 3SK to body at range unlike Mosin with its 2SK. I guess if you can manage its skill cap well enough, the scout is your go to.
Anti-material sniper rifles are probably the best version. Since sniping with light rifles relies on really fast reflexes, uncanny aim and knowing every single move your opponent will make in order to get a one shot headshot, you’ll have a 4 second window-depending on where you are, what map you’re on or where the enemy is, to put lead in that mans brain.
Anti-material rifles are slower, heavier behemoths but sniping isn’t supposed be a up front and personal class. They are loud, but nothing a suppressor can’t fix, and they can almost one shot anywhere from long ranges, have a higher velocity, and being ANTI-MATERIAL, can punch through a lot of stuff to hit your target.
Twinklebuns, your requirements for light snipers are sort of inaccurate.
I have around 9k kills with all the “light snipers”:Steyr scout, Mosin, AWM, AWS, and TRG. I can tell you right now that extremely fast reflexes is beneficial but not necessary. You just need fast target acquisition and be able to fire off shots in a small window of time. 4seconds is a choking estimate.
You usually have around 5+ seconds to fire on unsuspecting targets, even more if dueling other snipers(since they are nearly always in your view to try and snipe you).
The whole point of sniping is to pick off unsuspecting opponents at a decently long range.
You also don’t need to know every move they make. Simply just aim ahead of them and shoot. If they’re matrix juking then simply leave them be. They can’t aim and shoot properly if they’re jumping around like a frog on steroids.
Wait till they stop to aim and fire. No matter how skilled you are, you have to stop to aim and fire at your targets. And then you have your window of opportunity.
ABoxofGravy obviously has no idea what he is talking about the mosin nagant is the best sniper. Anyone who thinks differently is utterly useless. Like who prefers the scout rifle if your going to act stupid than go to another fandom
Your username and your current personality on the forums right now are strangely similar.
You prefer to attack the user instead of addressing the actual issue at hand. If you want to have a conversation, it is in your best interest to quit blindly overreacting over a petty argument and instead respond adequately.
Use what you want, You prefer Mosin? Sure, its a good gun. I prefer Scout over Mosin due to its faster bolt cycle but you can like what you like. No need to barf your pitiful toxicity and insults over other people.
RNG in this context of the Obrez, it being manually primed weapon where you'll always rechamber a round after the recoil from the previous shot has fully settled and it won't affect the consistency of the next shot's accuracy. RNG is literally just the Obrez's inherent inaccuracy as a sniper, and yeah, you'll be missing shots occasionally because it's inaccurate.
Sniper Rifles are technically not bad for playing aggressively, it's possible and people have done it. It's just really, really hard to do.
But at a purely objective and statistical standpoint where skill requirement isn't a factor in how effective a weapon is and everyone in the situation you're in can equally push their weapon to its fullest kill potential (because if you aren't skilled enough to do that then that's your fault and not the gun's.) Assuming this, snipers (some of them at least) are INCREDIBLY dominant killing machines at ALL ranges.
@Dyenide quick reload is also terrible for agressive play if your magazine is so small that you're reloading more than you're shooting. What matters is how many more rounds you can pump out in a period of time, which I would assume the SVDS does over the Mosin, though I haven't done the math.
Playing agressively, you are bound to come across clusters of players. With any other weapon you could clear that very quickly, but with a sniper, you get one shot; then you better run, because there is no way you cycle that bolt in time to deliver a second, let alone third shot before you are riddled with holes. Also, sorry for that run-on sentence but my grammar muscle is being lazy rn
@RailgunAnnihilator that’s dependent on the sniper, but you aren’t wrong. Snipers like the r700, intervention, and all the .50 cals (yes the M107 too, that thing has trashcan mobility, yo) are very poor aggressive guns. But snipers like the SVDS, Scout, Mosin, WA2K, maybe the AWM/S, you can be aggressive with them and do well.
I’m not gonna touch the SVU in this discussion, just don’t know much about it and it doesn’t act like a sniper rifle so I won’t count it here. As for the R700, even if it’s still a good gun, it isn’t a good aggressive gun in the slightest. This is comparing to the SVDS and those other fast firing snipers in aggressive gameplay which I think they are going to be very powerful in.
The rifles I’m referring to are the M107, SVDS, and WA2K. Due to ADS delays on all manually primed weapons, which includes the bolt guns, you will never be able to reach the exact rpm as listed in the stats for those guns. You’ll go a little bit slower. I’ll need to do the rpm measurements myself, but for right now it’s generally accepted that semi-auto snipers are the fastest firing in-class, since you’ll start rechambering a round the moment you pull the trigger.
Nope, it’s a manually-primed bolt action and there are different mechanics implemented for those types of guns that set them apart from actual semi-autos.
An example of this is that without the straight pull bolt, you have to zoom out of your sniper scope in order to cycle the bolt on your bolt action. This is unlike semi-autos, which automatically rechamber immediately after you fire a shot, no scope zooming out required.